Some Robotaxi Calculations Based On Elon's $100k FSD Tweet
I'm working on another big post at the moment, that's about 20-25% done. It'll probably take another 30-40 hours of writing to finish, but I haven't been super motivated to write as of late, so it might take some time before I get around to finishing it.
For now, this blog is a short TMC post I made in response to Elon's tweet from a few hours ago, which I thought was interesting enough to cross post here.
The Value of FSD
Currently an Uber ride is anywhere between $2 and $3 per mile. Elon talked at Autonomy Day about offering rides at $1 per mile, significantly undercutting the competition.
Let's assume the ratio of useful miles vs non-useful miles is 1:1, although some articles claim it is significantly higher.
That means a robotaxi will earn $0.50 per mile driven.
Elon talked about a cost of less than $0.18 per mile to operate at that point in time, so a robotaxi would generate $0.32 profit per mile.
Elon also talked about an annual mileage of 90,000 miles, but he based that on 16 mph x 16 hrs per day. The average Uber trip travels at over 25 mph, so I reckon this is a too conservative.
However, what really matters is the longevity of the vehicle, which we all know will soon be 1,000,000 miles. Whether the robotaxi travels these 1,000,000 miles in 9, 10, or 11 years doesn't matter that much, it will earn about 1,000,000 * $0.32 = $320,000 over its lifetime.
That'd be $180,000 in profit on a $140,000 investment, which would be a 12.9% yearly ROI and a 8.6% compounded annual return over a 10 year period.
Even if you make more conservative assumptions:
The Value of TSLA
Now this is where I'm struggling, because if Tesla is really going to be able to sell the FSD package for $100,000, or even $50,000, TSLA is truly going to the moon beyond a point of what seems possible.
A $100,000 FSD software package is going to be near 100% margins. Maybe not 100%, but whether it's ~90% or ~95% or ~98% is not going to make a big difference in the following calculations. Keep in mind that it's not unusual for some software companies to have near 100% margins. Some have margins as high as 95%, and Adobe has 88% margins on their software.
Tesla's goal is to continue growing at >50% annually through 2030, which would be ~30M vehicles produced in 2030, but let's assume they manage to produce ~20M vehicles in 2030, give or take a few million.
It seems obvious that, just like standard autopilot, every single car is going to be sold with the FSD package. A lot of regular consumers might not be able to afford a $140,000 vehicle, but plenty of investors will buy up all the vehicles Tesla can produce, if they can make anywhere from 4.3% to 12.9% per year on this 'investment'. Tesla will also be happy to invest any of its own spare cash into this great investment.
As a result, Tesla would end up selling 20,000,000 * $100,000 = $2,000,000,000,000 ($2T) worth of FSD packages each year, at near 100% margins.
Although one would have to subtract taxes first, at a 10x earnings multiple, that'd mean a $20T valuation for JUST Tesla's FSD software business, excluding any vehicle sales, energy, and Tesla Network income.
What?!?
Yes... what indeed.
Once again, even if you want to be more conservative and assume:
Especially in the first $20T valuation calculation, something I struggle with is where the $2T is going to come from, because it's a lot of money. And of course there'd be a ton of money flowing through Tesla's AMaaS (Tesla Network) business, so IF it really gets to that point, I wonder if it's going to influence the world economy. Another poster on TMC mentioned a while back about how Tesla might use their own currency within their Tesla Network, kind of like WeChat does.
People who've done the math on FSD & Robotaxis before should've already realised this, but if Tesla develops software that is proven to drive safer than a human, it will be truly massive.
For now, this blog is a short TMC post I made in response to Elon's tweet from a few hours ago, which I thought was interesting enough to cross post here.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1262526115266035715 |
The Value of FSD
Currently an Uber ride is anywhere between $2 and $3 per mile. Elon talked at Autonomy Day about offering rides at $1 per mile, significantly undercutting the competition.
Let's assume the ratio of useful miles vs non-useful miles is 1:1, although some articles claim it is significantly higher.
That means a robotaxi will earn $0.50 per mile driven.
Elon talked about a cost of less than $0.18 per mile to operate at that point in time, so a robotaxi would generate $0.32 profit per mile.
Elon also talked about an annual mileage of 90,000 miles, but he based that on 16 mph x 16 hrs per day. The average Uber trip travels at over 25 mph, so I reckon this is a too conservative.
However, what really matters is the longevity of the vehicle, which we all know will soon be 1,000,000 miles. Whether the robotaxi travels these 1,000,000 miles in 9, 10, or 11 years doesn't matter that much, it will earn about 1,000,000 * $0.32 = $320,000 over its lifetime.
That'd be $180,000 in profit on a $140,000 investment, which would be a 12.9% yearly ROI and a 8.6% compounded annual return over a 10 year period.
Even if you make more conservative assumptions:
- Charge $0.80 per mile
- Cost $0.20 per mile
- Profit $0.20 per mile
The Value of TSLA
Now this is where I'm struggling, because if Tesla is really going to be able to sell the FSD package for $100,000, or even $50,000, TSLA is truly going to the moon beyond a point of what seems possible.
A $100,000 FSD software package is going to be near 100% margins. Maybe not 100%, but whether it's ~90% or ~95% or ~98% is not going to make a big difference in the following calculations. Keep in mind that it's not unusual for some software companies to have near 100% margins. Some have margins as high as 95%, and Adobe has 88% margins on their software.
Tesla's goal is to continue growing at >50% annually through 2030, which would be ~30M vehicles produced in 2030, but let's assume they manage to produce ~20M vehicles in 2030, give or take a few million.
It seems obvious that, just like standard autopilot, every single car is going to be sold with the FSD package. A lot of regular consumers might not be able to afford a $140,000 vehicle, but plenty of investors will buy up all the vehicles Tesla can produce, if they can make anywhere from 4.3% to 12.9% per year on this 'investment'. Tesla will also be happy to invest any of its own spare cash into this great investment.
As a result, Tesla would end up selling 20,000,000 * $100,000 = $2,000,000,000,000 ($2T) worth of FSD packages each year, at near 100% margins.
Although one would have to subtract taxes first, at a 10x earnings multiple, that'd mean a $20T valuation for JUST Tesla's FSD software business, excluding any vehicle sales, energy, and Tesla Network income.
What?!?
Yes... what indeed.
Once again, even if you want to be more conservative and assume:
- $50,000 FSD package price
- 90% gross margin
- 10M vehicles sold in 2030
- 30% taxes before 10x earnings
Especially in the first $20T valuation calculation, something I struggle with is where the $2T is going to come from, because it's a lot of money. And of course there'd be a ton of money flowing through Tesla's AMaaS (Tesla Network) business, so IF it really gets to that point, I wonder if it's going to influence the world economy. Another poster on TMC mentioned a while back about how Tesla might use their own currency within their Tesla Network, kind of like WeChat does.
People who've done the math on FSD & Robotaxis before should've already realised this, but if Tesla develops software that is proven to drive safer than a human, it will be truly massive.
Does this assume there isn't any point of market saturation? I'm just thinking that if everyone on my block get's one because it's such a no-brainer of an idea, at what point will there be enough other people with FSD Teslas to reduce the number of rides my car would get?
ReplyDeleteIt does. Somebody on TMC pointed this out as well:
Deletehttps://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/4703242/
I'm guessing Tesla would just keep selling their EVs + FSD packages as long as people are willing to buy them, so saturation and reduced income is likely going to be a risk for people who are 'investing' in a Tesla robotaxi.
Hi Frank,
ReplyDeleteThank you for putting this together and sharing it. The detail and analysis you go through is very well thought out and is evident how much time you put into it. Not sure how to message you directly but I wanted to send you a note. I'm part of a Tesla investing mastermind group that meets virtually on zoom weekly. On our calls we discuss all things Tesla investment related - latest news, investment implications, new Tesla tech, option trading strategy, battery day, FSD, shanghai production, model Y etc. Was wondering if you would be interested in sitting in on one of our calls and share your thoughts. I can be reached at chris.e.ho@gmail.com to discuss this more.
Thanks!
Chris
Hey Chris,
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, and I'm glad to hear you like my posts.
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Thanks for the invite to participate in your Tesla mastermind group, but at this point I'm not interested in participating. My life is pretty busy at the moment.
Frank
Thanks for replying Frank. Appreciate you taking the time to do so. If you do have the time down the road in your schedule it would be great to have you as a guest speaker for one of our calls. I think you'll bring a tremendous amount of value and insight. For the mastermind its a small group of 5 but we're all serious / analysis focused investors. For a combined holdings I think we're probably close to $5-7M in Tesla stocks. Anyways appreciate your thought and consideration and the invite is always open. Keep up the great work with this blog! The depth and quality of your analysis is remarkable. Thanks again for sharing it!
DeleteYou're welcome, and good luck with the group and your investments!
DeleteIf you send me a message on Twitter, Reddit, or TMC, I'm happy to exchange Discord or something along those lines. Perhaps if timing works out at some point when I'm less busy I would participate.
Awesome thanks Frank! Keep up the blog - its awesome!
DeleteIn the US we travel about 2T mi per year I believe. 10m cars at 100k mi per year would be 1T mi. In 2 years Tesla would have all demand covered and sell 0 more for 8 years when the cars from year 1 expire. Even if people take more trips the limit would be met real quickly. Even globally (10T mi annually I think) it would be met quickly.
ReplyDeleteAnd not all trips will become autonomous.
I believe global VMT per year is slightly more than that at 10-15T. However, the useful miles of a robotaxi is only about 50%, so if all transportation today was replaced by autonomous robotaxis, global VMT per year would almost double. Furthermore, the reduction in cost of mobility would likely increase the demand for mobility. Simply put, global VMT per year would increase vastly if the world transitioned to autonomous robotaxis.
DeleteYou're definitely right though that global vehicle production will shrink significantly as all vehicles become autonomous. There is a lot more math on this in the financials section of my Investment Thesis 2.0. There I estimated that global vehicle production could be cut in half to 50M per year, in spite of a large increase in global VMT to 50M.
https://teslainvestor.blogspot.com/2019/12/my-tesla-investment-thesis-20-teslas.html
Thanks Frank. Sorry, that was just quick napkin math and from memory. In 2012 global passenger VMT including rail was about 24T mi. Obviously more now and rail I think was about 700B in China and India who does most rail mi. So car/bus/bike mi is still at least 20T.
ReplyDeleteI read all your blog entries. I truly respect the effort and passion that goes into it and it makes the journey on the Tesla road more insightful and enjoyable. Keep it up and all the best!
Thanks Habakak!!
DeleteI will. And all the best to you too!